Urinating Contest at The Pension Fund IP: 173.171.208.35 Posted on April 6, 2012 at 02:46:10 PM by Dennis Ribaya
6 April 2012
To All F&P Retirees:
I received the email below from retired District Chief Fred Urbuteit. It is the latest Urinating Contest that is taking place at The F&P Pension Fund. If you are not up to date on these public document request read from the bottom up.
Retiree,
Dennis Ribaya
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-------Original Message-------
From: Unudobies@aol.com
Date: 04/04/12 11:24:29
To: PJ.Gray@ci.tampa.fl.us
Subject: Public Document Request
April 4, 2012
Tampa Fire and Police Pension Fund,
Chairman P.J.Gray,
Fund Trustees,
Pension Staff,
Chairman Gray,
Thanks for your response to my E-Mail.
Hopefully you have not yet implemented your plan to not read or open any of my E-Mails , as I have a few items to make you aware of which might be helpful in your understanding the Government in Sunshine Law!
1. The Law can be researched on the following site : www.myflsunshine.com/sun.nsf/pages/Municipal
2. In my opinion you are dead wrong on this matter of violation of Sunshine Law:
(a), I am not a member of the government, nor am I acting on behalf of one , therefore the Sunshine Law does not apply to me.
( b ). Trustee Lynch,s E-Mail to Ms. Campbell was a public document as soon as he sent it( see the disclaimer on the bottom of all Pension Board E-Mails ) . Sharing that document with anyone would not be a violation of the Sunshine Law, even if it was sent to a governmental official ( which of course we can all agree I am not ).
( c ).As far as I know Trustee Lynch did not copy any other Trustee, and for him to provide his opinion without intent of a response would not be a violation of the Sunshine Law. See Attorney General Opinion 2001-21 which deals with this issue directly.
( d ). I welcome your intent to bring this matter up at F&P Pension Board Meeting for a " full public disclosure".
( e ). Lastly, I have in past Board meetings expressed that there is a feeling among many Beneficaries of the F&P Pension Fund, a "lack of transparency" emitted to them from the Board , whether intended or just an unintended aura that is omitted , it is there. Your reaction to me of not reading or opening any E-Mail from me , is a good example of that lack of transparency as well as ,in my opinion , your lack of knowledge or erroneous interpretation of the Florida in Sunshine Law!
I hope this intended cutting off of E-Mail communication, from me , is not intended to draw me into a , and I will quote our Plan Administrators un lady like and unprofessional comment in open session ,at the Board Meeting in September ,2011, I Quote " draw me into a urinating contest " , end quote, between your self and another Trustee!
I would hope we can continue to agree to disagree and still be cordial to each other!
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN !!!!
If by chance Chairman Gray does not read or open this E- Mail , I would solicit any one who is in contact with him to provide it to him, with my permission !
Respectfully,
Tampa Fire Rescue ( Ret. ) District Chief Fred Urbuteit
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In a message dated 4/1/2012 4:54:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, PJ.Gray@ci.tampa.fl.us writes:
Mr Urbuteit,
It is my opinion that this email is a direct violation of the Florida Sunshine Law in that you have acted as a secondary conduit of information from another trustee to me. In order to remedy this violation, I will make a full public disclosure at the very next meeting of the Tampa Fire and Police Pension Board.
It is obvious that Mr Lynches email was to Ms Campbell and that you were a "blind copy" and it was intended that others did not know you were informed.
I will no longer open or read emails from you or this email address. If you need to communicate with me in the future, you are welcome to contact me in writing at the Tampa Fire and Police Pension Office at the below address:
3001 N Blvd
Tampa FL 33603
Respectfully,
PJ Gray
Chairman
Tampa Fire and Police Pension Fund
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>>> 3/25/2012 11:47 PM >>>
Thanks to this E-Mail I recieved below , it appears that some of the Trustee's are listening to the Benificuaries concerns and trying to take measures to correct any cost to us in inspecting Public Records!
If this comes up at a Board meeting, to change Board Policy 818-Public Records , I am sure there will be STRONG objections raised by at least the Plan Administrator!
Tampa Fire Rescue ( Ret. ) District Chief Fred Urbuteit
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Lynch To: Jennifer Campbell Sent: Sat, Mar 24, 2012 3:22 pm
Subject: Fwd: Re: Public Document Request .
Jennifer,
Why would we need to charge inspection time? We have a security guard, receptionist and recorded surveillance system that should be able to monitor someone flipping through an RFP response.
This doesn't appear to be a judicious interpretation of Policy 818 - Public Records. I believe if we were challenged on it in court, we would lose.
I know that we just reaffirmed the policy, but we may wish to revisit it to protect the board/fund from unintended consequences.
Pat Lynch
Police Trustee
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Attached Message
From: Unudobies@aol.com
To: Jennifer.Campbell@ci.tampa.fl.us
Subject: Re: Public Document Request .
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 17:31:35 -0400 (EDT)
Ms. Campbell,
I must have been vague once again ! I really know of no other words to express what I asked other than , and I quote my request " Let me know via E-Mail when this will be available for my inspection? " ; end quote! You did not let me know when it would be ready ! Could you do this for me ? My E-Mail address is : unudobies@aolcom.
Thanks !
Tampa Fire Rescue ( Ret. ) District Chief Fred Urbuteit
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In a message dated 3/21/2012 3:53:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Jennifer.Campbell@ci.tampa.fl.us writes:
The original document is bound, tabbed and covered. So you may either pay inspection time at the lowest available staff rate, including benefit load, per policy 818 Public Records. Or you may purchase a copy at 15 cents per page x 44 pages = $6.60. Either option requires payment in advance.
Jennifer D. Campbell
Plan Administrator
Tampa Fire & Police Pension Fund
3001 North Boulevard
Tampa, FL 33603
(813) 274-8550
(813) 274-7504 - fax
IMPORTANT NOTICE - Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you DO NOT want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, then do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing.>>> 3/21/2012 1:28 PM
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Ms. Campbell,
Thank you very much for your response to my Public Records request , it is very informative !
However, I must have once again, been vague, as this is not exactly what I requested! I will attempt to restate my request!
I guess I should have requested " Mr. Ron Cohen,s answers or resume, presented by him ,to the RFP in 2006 " !
Would you be so kind to furnish this Public Records request , for my inspection?
Let me know via E-Mail when this will availble for my inspection! My E-Mail address is : unudobies@aol.com .
Thank you !
Tampa Fire Rescue ( Ret. ) District Chief Fred Urbuteit .
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jennifer Campbell To: unudobies Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:27 am
Subject: Re: Public Document Request .
This is the legal RFP issued in 2006.
Jennifer D. Campbell
Plan Administrator
Tampa Fire & Police Pension Fund
3001 North Boulevard
Tampa, FL 33603
(813) 274-8550
(813) 274-7504 - fax
IMPORTANT NOTICE - Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you DO NOT want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, then do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing.>>> 3/16/2012 3:28 PM
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March 16,2012
F&P Trustees
Chairman Gray
Plan Administrator
Ms. Campbell,
I would be very appreciative if you would furnish me , for my inspection, the RFP for General Board Council Legal Services presented to the Board by Mr. Ron Cohen , when he saught the position for F&P Plan attorney.
Please respond via E-Mail when these Public Information Documents will be available for my inspection.
I wish to view these documents so as to help me in my learning process of our Pension Plans procedures.
Thank you in advance for your help in this matter.
My E-Mail address is : unudobies@aol.com .
Tampa Fire Rescue ( Ret. ) District Chief Fred Ubbuteit.
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