Tiger's Jai-Alai Chalk Talk
Discussion forum for Jai-Alai Heaven
Foro de la discusión para el Cielo de Cesta Punta
Forum de discussion pour le Paradis de Pelote Basque

hits since 8/12/03
Chalk Talk Registration    Participación en Chalk Talk
 OneStop Entries, Results, Statistics    Magic City Scratches
Hall of Fame    "Question of the Week" Archive
Re(1): Who do you think is going to Win the Dania Doubles Championship?

Stats are cool, and Mo's presentation is beyond amazing.

However, for me what is more important than stats are the ideas and context behind them.

I view the stats as similar to setting up a position on the chessboard. A hack will look at it and see very little. A master, much, much more. A grandmaster will be off the charts.

Of course Jai-alai analysis isn't chess, but it can be more complex than simply taking things at face value.

Clueless: Mr ITM, can you tell me which record is better, 37: 11-6-3 or 37: 3-6-11?

Mr ITM: Not a problem, they are dead equal.

I would bet that if you took the 4 most skilled players from any American fronton of seasons past, they would all have records with a descending WPS pattern. The team record of Urreisti-Oyhenard is a quintessential example.

I would also bet that as a predictor, a metric that addressed the paramount importance of winning would do much better than ITM. Eg: campeonato points per game.

(FWIW, computing show % (finishing third) might even produce a negative correlation with winning.)

An example of context would be the realization that the first couple of weeks of this meet would be maximum discombobulation for the players. Big Dave discussed what they would be going thru when they first arrived, so no need to reiterate. But the question arises, how important are the results from that period? Wouldn't we rather see how the players are doing once they are fully acclimated?

If we disregard the first 10 perfs, we get:

B-A 21: 4-4-3
U-O 33: 9-6-3

Another consideration is that with these sample sizes, there is no guarantee that the post positions were equally distributed, or that the average strength of their immediate neighbors were approx equal. So factors like recency, post position, strength of field and immediate neighbors add to the fun.






Replies:


You must register before you can post on this board. You can register here.

Post a reply:
Username:
Password:
Subject:
Message:
Link Name:
Link URL:
Image URL:





Do you want to post on Chalk Talk?
In order to post your own messages on Chalk Talk, you must first register as a member.
Do NOT use the link above the posting box that says 'You must register ... register here'. It will not work.
Please report problems/questions directly to the Den - E-mail: rsbassociates at mindspring dot com
Tiger's Jai-Alai Chalk Talk logos, format and graphics copyright © 2003-2024 by RSB Associates
Create Your Own Free Message Board or Free Forum!
Hosted By Boards2Go Copyright © 2020


<-- -->