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That's a good question - have starters seen their salaries drop (relative to other positions, relative to relievers) commensurate with the significant innings drop?
Posted on August 1, 2025 at 08:49:07 PM by jjwalker

And with relievers, the extra innings they are pitching now relative to 40 years ago or whatever - I'm guessing it's more that they get split up among a deeper group of relievera rather than the top 2 or 3 getting more innings then they used to?

But is it the case that the 5th reliever who's pitching 70 inning versus the #2 starter throwing 170 makes much more, relative to each other, than when it was more like 20/220 back in the day?

(Numbers are just totally thrown out of my ass, of course. Please feel free to change/correct for accuracy).

Replies:

No, because of the scarcity* - By brick August 1, 2025 at 09:06:38 PM
- Shouldn't there be more guys who can throw 170 than 220? Or is it the reliever group has gotten way deeper? I feel like I've heard that.* - By jjwalker August 1, 2025 at 09:27:57 PM
  - I'd say there are multiple things occurring at once. First, you're right about the "throwing revolution" - By brick August 1, 2025 at 11:20:43 PM
    - Awesome response, thank you very much.* - By jjwalker August 1, 2025 at 11:28:25 PM
      - So what does that imply about Skubal's worth on his next contract?* - By jjwalker August 1, 2025 at 11:30:05 PM
No, not yet. Tonight Flaherty started and he makes 25 million. The next 3 guys (Holton, Vest and Hanifee) make a combined 2.963 million.* - By Rich August 1, 2025 at 08:56:18 PM
- Are there other factors I'm not considering? D, what do you think? Why wouldn't (relative) salaries move in line with IP (and presumably WAR?).* - By jjwalker August 1, 2025 at 09:00:34 PM
  - there is a ton of noise in relief pitcher statistics - By d August 2, 2025 at 06:43:35 AM
  - you could argue that Kahnle getting 7.75 for 1-2 innings work is in line with Flaherty getting 25 mill for 5-6 inning, although Flaherty only goes every 5-6 games - By Rich August 1, 2025 at 09:14:45 PM
    - I'm only talking about salaries moving relative to previous years (and relative to each other). So whatever premium a starter deserves over a 5th reliever, shouldn't it go down if he's pitching 170 innings instead of 220, and the 5th reliever is pitching 70 instead of 20? - By jjwalker August 1, 2025 at 09:36:15 PM
      - you would think so. I don't think it's happened but I haven't seen an analysis* - By Rich August 1, 2025 at 10:17:30 PM
- Now they are under team control. Kahnle makes 7.75 mill but he's 36 yo* - By Rich August 1, 2025 at 08:57:26 PM

$'s is a different argument. Right now it's about winning games. * - By django August 1, 2025 at 08:15:23 PM
- Hinch is excellent at what he does - By Rich August 1, 2025 at 08:22:07 PM
  - he has deviated from "the book" probably more than any other manager in MLB the last 2 years - By d August 2, 2025 at 06:44:37 AM

things that can be measured statistically are not matters of opinion - By d August 1, 2025 at 08:08:32 PM
- I am not saying to always let guys go 9 innings every 4 days. I am only saying there should be days where you let a guy go - By Rich August 1, 2025 at 08:12:59 PM
  - also don't confuse "effective starter" in the 4th inning with meaning they will be "effective starter" in the 7th or 8th inning - By d August 2, 2025 at 06:41:06 AM
  - you continually argue to keep Skubal in despite the fact he has thrown the 3rd most innings in MLB since the start of the 2024 season and has had 2 major arm injuries in his career - By d August 2, 2025 at 06:35:35 AM

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